Great ponts by most. Just wondering if we could use the HACAN tactics. Ie if they have a forum post on it once by saying something like 'demolish most houses around heathrow, as with noone living near the airport there will be noone complaining about noise' and then run for the hills never to be heard of again. I would love to have a chance to have a proper debate with hacan, and point out that they always were and always will be NIMBY's and therefore need to wake up and smell the roses. How about we organise a PPrune pro aircraft noise campaign, and hold a pro noise protest while the nimby's are doing another one of their actions. I know the message seems a bit disjointed but i'm on strike now (no really i am) and so had a late night last night and got woken up very early by my landlord to fix the door.