Originally Posted by
DuctOvht
Believing in due process, justice and accountability is wrong? Pull the other one. I’m responding to what you wrote by the way, not what you might have tangentially inferred.
It’s 2025, there’s not a single right thinking person out there that doesn’t believe a problem can, and does, exist in some quarters and there are also too many men out there who don’t seem to have a grasp of how to treat others. Additionally, if Virgin has an institutional issue here then it is valid they’re called out on it. However, that doesn’t mean that an accusation from one person to another automatically confers guilt I’m afraid, no matter how much you might want it to. Our whole legal system is predicated on the notion that someone is innocent until proven guilty, although that centuries old precedent is under threat like never before. I have no skin in this particular game, but that sort of nonsense thinking (that someone, anyone, making an accusation of any sort be just ‘believed’) can’t go unchallenged.
Anyway, this is wildly off thread so I’ll leave it at that.
And yet another perfect example of missing the point of the post.
I will say it again. The first step to addressing a problem is acknowledging there is a problem, and then investigating and dealing with the problem. Or do you think we shouldn’t?
Should we just dismiss our female colleagues out of hand if they make a complaint, I for one wouldn’t.
No we should listen to them, believe them and then investigate the facts fully and address the issues causing them to believe they are being harassed or worse. And you know what that’s exactly what we should do if it’s a male colleague making a claim against a female or any other combination.
The simple facts are VAA have repeatedly payed out substantially at the last second sometimes before the case hearings even get started, That show there is a problem, how deep that goes is for others to establish but no one pays out like that if there isn’t a problem of some kind.
End of the day bullying and harassment are one and the same, and just as disgusting.