Originally Posted by
bulldog89
Why is nobody asking how is it possible that a 13 hours fdp is legal?
That's the core issue of fatigue, laughable FTLs.
Why can I legally fly an aircraft 18 hours after waking up?
Why is the daily limit only on FDP and not on total duty?
Why can we legally work 60 hours in 5 consecutive days?
Why is split duty even a thing?
Why (in my country) an office worker can't work more than 10 hours (so 8+2 overtime), but I can be rostered a 13 hours fdp (even more, in some circumstances)?
Ive seen group chats from a large carrier where they’re expecting / resulting in regular 18+ hours when you look at the duties they’re assigning people and account for the parts they like to omit.
With respect to pay to fly though and the whole safety question I’d like to put this to everyone.
Let’s assume you’re a new entry pilot 60-100k in debt or paid out already in licensing. A large part of the industry has pivoted it seems to the yellow and blue model of charging for large aircraft type ratings… these type ratings are 30k and coincidentally include the OCC a non-delegable provision of the operator rendering them airline specific… you’ve paid for and are unpaid during this period… amounting more debt. You are then given a contract to operate for the airline as crew for your lifus and beyond… crew definition being indistinguishable from the tests for direct employment you are paid a paltry fee that barely covers living costs, during this time the company also reserves the right to claw back money should you report sick/fatigued. You’re safety pilot released… you’re likely fatigued as they’re running you a new entry onto the line at FTL maximums while you’re still in LIFUS… and you literally can’t afford to call fatigued due to the clear debt bondage and fear of reprisals.
… how is that anything but a safety issue?
Let’s then consider your safety pilot released and the line training captain becomes incapacitated. You’re effectively paying to be there… scared to call fatigued, inordinate stress from debt as you continue to learn your trade… under significant cognitive load in a fast paced environment you have to then ensure the safety of 180+ pax and yourself.
The European system has been corrupted and it’s insidious and even if it doesn’t result in the worst scenario of an accident… what is it doing to the individual people involved is abhorrent.
it cannot be remotely compliant with the overlap between aviation, employment, labour, consumer and even contract law, which tells us regulators are s**ting the bed. As much as I abhor the cost of train tickets… you don’t see train drivers even close to accruing debt to transport passengers and isn’t safety and just culture supposed to be the absolute pinnacle.