Originally Posted by RVF750
I guess we get into a comfort zone and don't want to do any work here in the Western world......
What a silly comment. I'd wager 95% of crews that reject an aircraft with no AP or ATS would do so because of safety concerns. The other 5% of rejectees would say "you won't let us hand-fly or with the ATS disengaged in normal operations so you can jam it when it's actually MELd". The FOQA god will also be watching. Will he be lenient if things get untidy when you don't use the AP or ATS because they are U/S?