No reflection on your daughters, DTS, or other youngsters who labour long and hard -- my younger relative has just climbed the ladder to become a hospital consultant. I was quoting the experience and comments of young Ross the plumber who worked equally hard to learn his trade. As I myself worked part-time and without pay to obtain my ARB A&C licence before the CAA took over in 1972. I fully accept that licensing is totally different to my times of more than half a century ago. But where are all the young tradesmen?