My poll of people who have been there 20 years plus and stuck it out shows that within the next 2-3 years the whole cohort will be gone, and that includes retirees who are now populating the bat cave. Most are long term HK folk who own property outright and have spouses who have their own businesses. The last structural pillar of the company is about to collapse and so the future is a company kept airborne with compromised standards and lowest cost drivers. Sadly there are many ex's who are becoming more inclined to put themselves and loved ones on other carriers. Sad, very sad.