Originally Posted by
AreOut
you do realise that both those pilots with valid ATPL licences have missed the entrance to the runway by a whole kilometer? Mistakes happen to the best. That's why it is good to correct them, in this case "you have made the mistake please backtrack to D6" without any further discussion would have been appropriate.
For what must be the twentieth time in this thread, how does someone in the tower know how much space is adequate for take off? It's not as if the controller has simply said: Cleared for take off. He's
TOLD the crew that they are at D5 and not D6, the controller has given them the TODA available, he has ALSO questioned them whether that would be sufficient, he's also offered them the opportunity of turning around, backtracking up the runway to D6 in order to give them sufficient space without the crew losing their position as number one on the runway - what more could the controller do? Get out and fly the damned plane for them????
Ah, I see. Next you're going to demand that the pilots MUST supply their take off calculations, preferably in triplicate, to the controllers in the tower such that these can peruse and muse about the validity of these calculations? Or perhaps you'd like someone with a green shirt, similar to those seen on aircraft carriers, to hold up a box showing figures to the crew - only these numbers will show not the weight but the TODA and the crew needs to salute snappily to the guy in the green shirt before they ..... jesus, don't you see how ludicrous this is? How many times should a controller point out an error to flight crew before they accept they f*cked up.....
PS: I note you've not explained how a controller in a tower is supposed to identify the pilots in the cockpit are both "visibly confused" - yes, they've made a mistake, don't we all? But they've had it pointed out to them. They've understood it, they were offered to redo their take off calculations and, if necessary, backtrack along the runway yet STILL elected to take off from that intersection....
That isn't "visibly confused" - that would be simply negligent, in my eyes. "visibly confused" would be lining up the wrong way on D5, being told about facing the wrong way and responding that "it's ok, the sun rises in this direction....."