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Old 5th Feb 2024, 10:08
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petit plateau
 
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Originally Posted by fdr
Petit P; whatever the source of conversion from a fuel to an output to achieve some work, in the end y'all gotta convert that output from the engine to a means to develop a useful force.

Nootin' gave us a heads up with his Rule #3, where push meets shove, and that is how every current means of propulsion works, whether it is a Saturn V, Cessna 150, or arguably even your drive tyres on your bicycle. For aircraft, we have simple matters, f=m.an and that is restated as mdot.V. Whether it is an afterburner, turbojet, turbofan or propeller, force is generated by pushing a mass out the back, at a velocity greater than free stream. That bit ain't going away anytime soon. A core massflow happens to be hot, so the local speed of sound is higher, that helps avoid massflow choking at Mach 1.0. A fan massflow is a lower velocity, but higher mass flow, and it gives a better propulsion efficiency from less V losses in the far field. Unfortunately, the faster you fly, the lower the fan thrust component for the engine, for two simple reasons....

1. The fan is effectively a fancy fixed pitch prop. It is limited in the blade angle that can be set for takeoff, static, as stall has to be avoided, (blades are susceptible to flutter, and there is a lot of uglies that occur around non axisymmetric flow into the engine... Those mid span shrouds... dampers... they are there as they need to be normally. The fan blade actually is subject to torsion-bending that is pretty neat, as it is a splined section, the resultant aero forces cause torsion not just bending, and that happens to torsion to higher blade angles. All good when steady case, and when your blades don't have stress concentration built in as a design "feature".

2. The gross thrust output is great at relatively low speeds, but at cruise speed, all that TAS is working against your fan thrust output. For my turbofan in flight test, static 54% of the thrust is derived from the fan normally at sea level, but at FL400, M080, that is below 25%. (thats standard... my engine does something rather different).


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Way back when, Mr Froude n' Co sorted out ways to explain how a propeller works, by the means of an actuator disc, and that is a nice and simple analysis so long as you aren't running into compressibility, which unfortunately almost every prop on the planet does in use. (Keeping the tip velocity subsonic with respect to relative airflow is one thing, but if the blades have any level of resultant force giving a thrust component will be transonic, accelerating flow on the suction face to greater than Mach 1, and generating shocks (gaining entropy, sucks), mussing up the boundary layer, and the "CL's" and the "CD's" and the "Cm's". Your vibration isn't all from the engine, much of it is from the unsteady aero effects on the propeller. Prandtl added blade element theory to the propeller understanding, and yet, it is still just achieving Nootin's 3rd law, just as the the turbojet and the turbofan do.

The higher bypass achieves better propulsive efficiency, to a point. As the area of the intake gets bigger, so does the drag from the nacelle. Somewhere a bit past the GE90, we are about at the end of the diameter game for the engine, and can only improve stuff by gearing or variable blade angles or doing some magic.

For anyone who looks at the spoilers below, this causes some curious outcomes in the equations for turbomachinery.
1. Yes, we have removed a specific fluid mechanics limitation that exists in turbomachinery, and it was done by some neat aerodynamics.
2. Yes, the equations of propulsion efficiency look odd, I can't help that, I can only go by what the plane does, and it suggests that we are already overstating propulsive efficiency a tad. Anyone who likes algebra, we have a group of people working on resolving the surprise of propulsive efficiency.
3. No, we do not alter thermodyamics of the core of the blender at all. We do however alter profoundly the entropy of the fan, and the mass flow and velocity of the bypass flow. Amazingly, the engine core doesn't know that it is being fooled, the only difference is that at low RPM, fuel flow is slightly higher, but within error margins, and at higher RPM, fuel flow is around 1% lower than standard for a given RPM, with EGT following suit.
4. It has been flown to FL450, M080 so far, and seems happy enough to go to STC.
5. Vibration is lower, and loads on the fan blades and disc are lower than standard. That is a necessary outcome of the aerodynamics, and has been observed on propellers, helicopter rotors and turbo fans.

What magic looks like....
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https://youtu.be/PNt12O7wFNA




Magic at FL400, M076
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fdr,

I am in wild agreement, hence my more generic comment about different thrust devices and different energy sources, and also regarding potential changes in the underlying travel market.

Tell me, regarding your thrust widgetry which you seem justly proud about, how would it fare if the energy source was not burning long-dead dino juice ? Would your widgetry still be at all relevant, or would one design 180-220 seat aircraft around other thrust devices ?

If you were an airframer considering a market entry would you jump in now, or hold back ten years and wait and see ?

And in the meantime am I right in guessing that you see your widgetry as being most interesting in sweating the existing fleets to perform better, rather than switching out for new fleets entirely ?

regards, pp

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