Originally Posted by
PukinDog
Are we going to pretend that in the year 2023 enroute air carrier aircraft can't communicate with their Ops, obtain current weather reports/updated forecasts, or notify ATC to pass a message that will likely be of operational significance at the arrival airport down the line to those it would matter to the most? In your hypothetical, is it your contention that an enroute controller wouldn't pass along such a message when received from the pilot if the pilot had the sense to realize that a Company restriction had now come into play...especially one that ATC would have no way of knowing about unless told? It's almost as if you don't believe communication and coordination exists between Enroute and Approach controllers.
A belief that a "customer" should be able to just rock up having given no heads-up, and receive whatever they request regardless of the impact on anything else is somewhat amusing. This doesn't even happen for something as simple as booking a hotel room. If one needs (or comes to need) a room equipped-for and with access for the physically handicapped, it would be pretty dumb to not specify this requirement while making the reservation or, if it only becomes apparent after booking, to not notify them of the change with as much lead-time as possible that any old room they choose won't do. If one fails to use the opportunities and channels to communicate the special restriction beforehand, then a delay getting what they when they arrive at the front desk is on them. TRACON is the front desk of the airports they serve.
But an enroute delay wasn't what happened to this particular LH was it, so it would be useful to know if anyone at LH bothered to communicate the "no visual appch" operational restriction on their Flight Plan.
Curious, at your company, what do you do if an enroute or destination alternate goes down with unforecast conditions, or you lose some avionics that could restrict your ability to use them. Just keep quiet, keep on truckin', and hope for the best when you get there?
Ridiculous post. How far out is
your hypothetical occurring?
How much notice does a controller need? Certainly more than they got between LH requesting the ILS and them diverting. How long was that? Cant turn up to SFO with a problem, minor or otherwise, if you can't have that problem x minutes out?
Flexibility is the key..SFO ATC has none.