Originally Posted by
WillowRun 6-3
But ATC Watcher, isn't one of PukinDog's main points that the Luft. captain could have complied with the visual separation task despite the SOP against visual approach?
No, the LH SOP is not against visual approaches is about maintaining visual separation , 2 different things. LH SOP said only in daylight, so Capt has no discretion here but to follow his SOP.
I. To the traveling public, it looks like a situation in which controllers had some sizable degree of discretion. So - even if they could have re-arranged the line-up of flight operations in sequence, that does not mean they were required to do such re-arrangimg, or even that they should have done so.
again no,, no sizable degree of discretion , a controller has to accommodate a pilot legitim request, And he was initially planning to do so , but it escalated and in the end forced him to divert. hence this discussion . We are all trained to re-arrange sequence, we always do so after a go around for instance.
By the way, NTSB Chair tells a Senate Committee to worry all over again about inadequate controller staffing levels and prevalence of fatigue issues. Does that not support the need to acknowledge significant controller discretion in handling exactly this kind of situation?
It may look that way but in fact this delegation of responsibility for separation is increasing workload as the number of aircraft close to each other has increased to the point where taking over in case of a mishap by one of the aircraft is almost nil. It is the number of aircraft you handle and have on the frequency that you have to monitor that is causing the workload and fatigue. Not the procedure in itself. If you are short on staff and fatigued, you want aircraft on published instrument arrivals well separated from each other , separated by a few NM, not laterally by hundreds of feet .
Plus as mentioned correctly by
Request Orbit ,in class B airspace
that procedure does not relieve the controller separation responsibilities , and since you are a lawyer, in case of a fatal mishap here, who do you think the Prosecutor will go after ?
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Is there a NOTAM saying this ILS will not be provided if requested ?
excellent question , but I guess we know the answer to that one.