This item, while subscriber only, allows anyone to view part of an interview between Channel 9 presenter Karl Stefanovic and the Defence Minister this morning:
https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...f2bd79430e482b
Not sure why Stefanovic was acting like an attack dog, but Richard Marles didn't bite back. Perhaps Stefanovic should next interview Defence Ministers in other countries that continue to operate the NH-90. Heck, why not also interview the US Defense Secretary on why Osprey is still operating... and so on, and so on...
As for Barnaby Joyce, thankfully not our Defence Minister.