Originally Posted by
physicus
this Premier accident doesn't look like anyone "overcooked" anything - whatever that means. Looks more like simply forgot flaps and slowed down into a stall in a heavy airplane. Controlled FLight outside the enveloPe - CFLOP. To mint a new term...
Not seeing any data to support that hypothesis. The stall speed is not going to be an issue, this isn't a stall evant, it is a lateral rolloff for undetermined reasons. The great oracle GOOGLE gives a Vs at "108 Kts clean", which is about what would be expected. The stall speed for most small-medium jets clean vs dirty are not that different, other than some high performance flap systems like the Falcon 20, 10, 50, 900 etc, For a Lear, Westwind, Hawker, the TE flaps don't shift the stall speed that much, some but not the 40+ kts needed in this case for 1g stall.
The approach to Subang RWY 15 is usually a protracted affair, not often you will get a shortened approach, unlikely they were doing a short base, certainly not from the Langkawi direction.