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Old 25th July 2023 | 21:08
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Koan
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Originally Posted by gipilot
I can’t believe people still believe this type of stuff. Guys please, you’ve been in aviation long enough to know that managers don’t think like we do. Every single Cx manager must be feeling so sorry for their American counterparts and American managers are beyond jealous of what’s being paid to pilots in Europe and Asia. Dude, aviation is not going the way of the U.S., aviation is going the way of Europe and Asia, lower salaries and lower benefits.

What’s happening in the US is a case of regulation that has caused a massive shortage of pilots paired with huge retirements and a massive aviation rebound, nothing more and nothing less. In Europe and Asia it’s all well catered for.

There’s also an issue called supply and demand and outside of the US it’s practically non-existent. CX for instance has a problem recruiting qualified jockeys, fair enough. However when push comes to shove and the situation becomes critical they’ll just lower the standards. If any of you come across someone from talent acquisition just ask them about the massive amounts of applications they receive on a daily basis, you’ll be shocked. There are tons of unemployed Malaysian, Philipinos, Pakistani, Europeans around so no company outside the US will never ever go anywhere close to those kind of salaries nor should they.

Those US remuneration packages are 1. Unsustainable and 2. absolutely not the future of aviation salaries and benefits.
What is unsustainable truly is what is going on in the US regional industry. Huge pay incentives for especially instructors to stay and signing bonuses for direct entry Captain over $USD 100k. Now I hear there is a roadblock for those who have 1500 hrs and ATP mins. The regionals are not hiring FOs because they have insufficient cadres of Captains to fly their planned schedules. Major Airlines are hiring regional FOs, some do not require a university degree.

Actually I think the majors can afford to pay widebody Captains and FO's the $420/$300 dollars per hour. Just a bit less on the table for management bonuses, stock buybacks, fleets of electric air taxis and fanciful supersonic projects. So inevitably the next black swan event comes they declare bankruptcy or just threaten mass layoffs to slash the pilot contracts.

Every time new hires get staffed as WB FO something bad happens.
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