syd and jfk, the real long stuff 2 crews. new comers will be longer than 3 years as that is just the min right now. i don't think the mins are going to change but the higher time fo's are not appling so they will have to be happy getting guys with just the mins and for those an upgrade in @ 5 years is not that bad, the big thing is the fo payscale for those 5 years