I haven’t seen anything in this thread about the details of any direction by the
PIC to old mate in accordance with CASR 91.220. I’ve seen various assertions and theories about the CC’s authority, whatever they say and whenever they say it, despite the actual terms of CASR 91.580:
Firstly he failed to comply with the lawful directions of the cabin crew on what seat he needed to sit in.
Whatever it is, the CC’s instructions are lawful.
The Crew acted completely within the powers given to them under the Regulations.
Yes, of course the CC … were operating within their legal rights.
[I]f the crew give an instruction whether you like it or not, and whether one is more right vs the other, for the love of god just follow what they say.
Of course it is true that the CC have the authority to enforce a seat allocation.
Here’s a particularly interesting assertion:
Let’s not forget it’s the Captains authority as delegated to a flightie. The flighties have zero direct powers.
Consistent with that assertion was this one:
The Captain was in command from the moment he boarded the aircraft until he handed it over at the end of the duty. It followed that Cabin Crew held certain authority because they were delegated by the Captain.
I can’t find “delegate” or “on behalf of the PIC” anywhere in Part 91.
Now of course as widely known by those in the industry, crew directions are to be followed.
[T]he MOMENT a passenger refuses to obey a Cabin Crew instruction they have committed an offence.
[W]hen you board the aircraft you agree that you will follow crew member instructions if you agree or not none of these instructions are unreasonable.
This is another particularly interesting one:
The pilot already has a job to do: fly the jet. What on earth do you really think he's going to do when he turns up to a tasering in the making? The CC have training and experience in dealing with aggressive ferals, unlike Capt. Lardbelly in his lollipop hat and coinslot who would probably pop an aorta (or his pants seam) if he had to duck a punch. Most CC generally don't want the pilot getting in the way and out of breath while attempting to inflate his ego with some type the crew have seen many times before.
Pilots don't know how to fight and his employer would prefer the event ends with the pilot able to fly the service not busy picking up his teeth. Leave the action to the CC who aren't going to escalate it and in fact the ground staff whose job it is until the door is closed. All the pilot needs to do is take the advice of the CC when it comes to deciding whether or not to exercise his authority to offload the feral who, these days, has no respect for any authority including some pilot mistakenly believing he's a king of some kind. Don't rely on ground staff for this decision as they just want the problem to go away into the sky with you.
This one is, frankly, scary:
Big deal is because CC said so. Were they in the wrong? Probably. But you are to comply. End of story.
As is this one:
CC on the day had absolutely no choice but to issue an instruction to this bloke to move. He refused a lawful order.
Who knew that Jetstar is actually a branch of the military.