Originally Posted by
Finningley Boy
Shall I just sling whataboutery about regarding the tories? That shower on the opposition benches are about as disingenuous as it gets, do you recall pr00ne a good few years ago, I posted on a long ago thread about the recently announced massive increase in Russian military expansion. Your response, was your usual agitated dismissal saying they had a right to defend themselves, "nothing to see here" I only quote the last four words in the interest of accuracy. But the point stands, you were at the time defending the defence budget of the Cameron Government which everyone else was questioning, in fact, you've consistently defended defence cuts, by the tories, until now. Further, why do you respond to the mention of Diane Abbot, a sitting MP and one time leadership contender for the Labour Party, by saying "Oh for goodness sake!"
The British left have a history, going back to Kier Hardy of leaning toward disarmament, they have to be fair, had to battle between their own left and right factions between sensible defence and foreign policy, never with cuts though and utter recklessness, But I'll give them their due, they'll gain say anything the tories do, because they think the electorate are damn stupid. And before you retort, I am not defending the current shower in office following the farrago of cuts from them, but what do you think of the £11 Billion increase just announced?
FB
We were trying an attempt at discussing the current Govt's inept and reckless handling of the CURRENT defence budget in the face of the situation in Ukraine and what most of Europe is doing about it. Er, I have never defended ANYTHING done by the Tories! Cameron? When did he retire? We `re talking NOW for goodness sake, you know, the here and now where there is a major land war raging in Europe, a wounded and distrustful (and very much in the wrong!) Russia is chucking nuclear threats about to all and sundry, and meanwhile the Tories are proceeding with their plans to reduce the Army by thousands, retire Typhoons and Hercules without replacement, retire Frigates and Survey ships without replacement, refusing to increase Artillery or Air Defence provision which is currently woeful, and expecting the Army to operate on the battlefield without IFV's, being the only major Army in the world to do such a thing. The Germans have announced a hundred billion increase in the defence budget, France is increasing theirs by a third, Sweden, Norway and Finland doing something similar, the Australians ramping up rapidly and outnumbering the UK in things like P-8 and E-7 and F-35's. And we now have a paltry £11bn increase over 5 year, with £3bn of that being for nuclear infrastructure to benefit us in the 2040's and £2bn being replacement of stockpiles sent to Ukraine, so the remaining £6bn over 5 years will amount to an effective cut when inflation is taken into account.
And all you can do is twitter on about historical socialists! As I said a few posts ago, get a grip!