Originally Posted by
Tartiflette Fan
I need to clarify. I used the phrase "foot-soldiers" previously because you keep harping on about Britain not being part of continental Europe. This is only important if you are a foot-soldier and not one who can use use transport aircraft to cross 30 miles of sea.
Once again your statements leave me confused as you seem to see nothing wrong in contradicting yourself ( then ignore attempts asking you to explain ). You have just written:
The UK gets a 10/10 for its support, well done you, even though we don't see you as a European Nation. France gets a 0/10, clearly isn't getting involved.
Whereas in post 14490 your opinion was:
"With the exception of France and Poland the rest of you NATO countries are fu#%ing useless."
So sometimes Britain is u#%ing useless. and then gets a 10, whereas France alternately gets 0/10 and is then mentioned as an exception to the general uselessness. Do you see why I am puzzled ?
Personally I feel that is a dramatic exaggeration. Yes, there has been some disagreement, but when contrasted with what has been achieved - and delivered in terms of materiel and training by many countries -, and the fact that the continued stated aim is for Ukraine to win and support will continue, it is clearly untrue. Whether that is truly what is what is being presented to the public Down Under, I don't know, but having read what you post here, I think it is far more likely that you are distorting the hell out of it.
I'm trying to tell you how we see it as we see and hear and understand in our part of the world. It may not necessarily be factually correct. The UK has provided sterling support, probably because it's the one we hear most about, "We" don't "
see" the UK as a European Nation. That doesn't need any further explanation.
There is a perceived dissent among NATO countries in Europe, we are not confident that the NATO Alliance will actually function as intended if it were called upon to do that.
The US has vested interests in The Netherlands (technical), Germany,(technical) Russia (natural resources) and Ukraine (Agricultural and Natural resources)., it doesn't really care about the rest.
The US doesn't want to be the world police anymore for no other reason than it's young people would rather colonise space than patrolling the oceans. It has been rolling back that capability for at least a decade.
That's how we see it, please don't shoot the messenger and any further posts about this should be in JB