Originally Posted by
N707ZS
Thought our tanks were obsolete and needed upgrade or replacement, could this be embarrassing.
Challenger 2 is far more capable than the majority of the tanks Russia is fielding. TOGS is still a VERY good system. Bear in mind that most Russian T72's don't have any sort of thermal sight. The sight and gunnery system on the T80 isn't as good as TOGS. Just having a good thermal sight against tanks without one makes a big difference. Same goes for the Bradleys and Marders. They both have reasonably good sights with a decent thermal imaging capability.
Main issue is that 12, very unique, tanks is a fairly useless force. The supply chain needed to just feed them with their unique ammunition (because of the rifled barrel) will be a massive headache. As a political statement of will and a
PR exercise they are worth far more than their military value. Leopards in sufficient numbers are what Ukraine needs. It could also do with lots of Bradleys and Marders rather than MBTs.