Originally Posted by
Truebluegirl
I am not super academic - would this hold me back? I am a trained primary teacher, and had to do a quite a few English and maths tests to train for that.
A non-academic teacher... Isn't that an oxymoron? For the ATPL exams GCSE level maths will do just fine. For flying a Jet you'll really just need your 3x table for calculating descent!
Originally Posted by
Truebluegirl
As far as I understand. there are two main routes to go down - an integrated ATPL course which basically gets you up and running within 18-24 months. I understand that this is the quickest route, and you don't need any prior flying experience. Unfortunately those flight schools are quite far away from where I am in the UK. The nearest being 2 hours away (doable but I think the onus is on you being away and staying there). The other main one is L3 Harris. They advertise quite heavily but from my research I need to avoid this one like the plague. Perhaps going down the modular route would be a better for me? Can somebody please explain how a modular route differs from an integrated ATPL? The other alternative is a degree based course with gives you a license (from my research not many options with this one).
The 'two main routes' are all you should consider, although in reality there are way more than that (there are at least 7 or 8 ways to get an IR for example). Neither require any previous experience!
Generally integrated is quicker and more expensive. However if you want to get qualified quickly then modular can be a
lot quicker. Integrated courses have a fixed time table whereas modular can be done at your own pace (which can mean faster as well as slower).
To explain how modular is different from integrated you have to understand how the licencing system works:
There are many types and levels of licence, but only 3 that matter: PPL, CPL and ATPL ascending in that order.
A PPL lets you fly a plane. You take exams and a flight test.
A CPL lets you fly and get paid for it. Either in command of a single pilot airplane, or as FO on a multi pilot airplane (read: airliner) you take more exams and another flight test (however the ATPL exams are downwards creditable for this and the IR so very few people take the CPL or IR exams, they just skip straight to the ATPL exams)
An ATPL lets you command a multi pilot airplane, and can only realistically be gained through employment as an FO. You've already done the exams so you just need to build 1500 hours/500 multi crew then take the test.
Then you have ratings:
An instrument reading lets you fly in cloud .
A night rating lets you fly at night. Optional with a PPL.
A Class rating lets you fly a class of airplane (eg Single engine piston, multi engine piston).
A type rating lets you fly anything considered complex enough that it requires specialist training. (All airliners).
Then you have the 'extras' :
ATPL theory credit. You need this to get your first multi pilot type rating and to upgrade to ATPL later in your career.
UPRT: upset recovery (aerobatics) - a relatively new addition.
MCC: multi crew cooperation course. Teaches you to work as a team to fly cooperatively.
JOC: Jet orientation course to help prepare you for a jet type rating usually combined with MCC.
APS: Airline pilot standards MCC.
If you go through the modular route you will start with a medical and PPL (which will be done on a SEP and give you that class rating) and finish with a CPL, MEP, MEIR, UPRT and MCC. This is known as a frozen ATPL and is the minimum qualification to get an airline job.
How you get there is up to you. You can buy your own airplane or share to build hours and do each course in any order you like (although there is an optimal). You can do each course in a different school if you like. As soon as you pass your PPL you're a pilot. You can start your ATPL studies. You can take friends out flying. Once you get your night rating you can take them out at night too. You get the idea.
With an integrated course you end up with exactly the same qualification - except you skip the PPL and start with the ATPL theory, then follow a much more prescribed syllabus but you won't hold any licence until the end of the course. And you'll have spent twice the money. For the same licence.
A degree course which gives you a license is pointless. Especially as you already have a degree. You'd be wasting your time and money.
The only thing we haven't covered is the MPL - which is basically an integrated course where you take your test in a simulator and come out with a fATPL AND a Type rating - usually only done in cahoots with a sponsoring airline. And it's multi pilot ONLY, no light aircraft shenanigans.
Originally Posted by
Truebluegirl
I would like to get as many licences are I can (not just UK). Also, I would be very interested to hear about the job market at the moment. I am very concerned I won't end up employed after all my training (although L3 Harris do say they have fantastic links with the major airlines). My child would be at an adult by the time I finish, so I would have some freedom to move countries etc for employment purposes if this was the case.
More licences are better but cost more money to get and to keep. Unless you are employed you'll have to pay to keep Class ratings, Type ratings and instrument ratings current every year. Once you're employed you'll be sent to the simulator every 6 months to pass your test over and over again. The airline pilots job market is highly cyclical. There are airlines in the UK right now that cannot hire qualified people fast enough. Qualified means type rated and experienced DEP/DEC - direct entry Pilot/Captain. When they run out of those people then they look for experienced people for Non type rated positions NTR. When they run out of those they ask for cadets and pilot apprentices. Many companies take cadets as a matter of course to keep the fleet experience balanced. Those are the jobs you'll be going for. As for moving - that's a given. If your first
job offer is in Kazakhstan then that's where you're going.
Originally Posted by
Truebluegirl
Finally, I would love to hear about the general life of an airline pilot. I understand it's a very general question depending on the airline you work for, but it would still be very interesting to know. How long are your layovers? When you are employed, do you need to stay with that airline a certain number of years? What are your work patterns like? Can a first officer start off doing long-haul? TIA.
One man's great is another man's nightmare. It depends very much on what you like and your home situation. For stability, go for low cost like Ryanair. 5 on 4 off and you sleep in your own bed every night. At the other end of the spectrum you could be flying a cargo 747 on a 21 day trip (with 21 days off after).
Layovers depend on network design. If your airline flies there every day it'll be 24 hour stops - which are the worst on the body clock. 12-16 or 36-40 is much better.
Some airlines bond people for their training, payable pro rata for leaving before 2 or 3 years, but they're usually unenforceable. If it's a good airline you can stay as long as you like although there are advantages to staying longer - If you got a new type rating you might want to get 1000hrs on it before you left for example to make you more employable. More airlines still fly random roster patterns. Although some like Ryanair and Easy prefer fixed patterns. Basically with a random pattern your life is not your own and weekends do not exist any more. Rosters are written to suit the company and published a month or so in advance. You might have 4 on 2 off 5 on 4 off etc...all at random, they put your off days where it suits them. You can have Roster changes but they can't make you work an off day without your consent. In my last company it was £500 per day for working an off day. Most places have 6-8 weeks Leave bookable in advance, and usually you can request a few days of every month to cater for special occasions. Most cadet positions are for A320/B737 jobs, narrow body short haul. Some airlines that's all there is, so if you want LH you have to move on. I can think of 2 airlines who take cadets straight on to 777 for long haul, but don't expect to get to land the plane very often!
That should cover most of it. If you put in the work and get lucky with the job you'll find it's a great career. Great money and it certainly doesn't feel like work.
You get paid for and train for the 0.1% of the time when things go wrong, but 99.9% of the time it's the easiest job in the world.