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Old 8th Oct 2022, 23:00
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43Inches
 
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Yeh, these self centered assholes, can you believe they don't just rot in GA on foodstamps so that you can buy a second boat? The nerve!
And this is the self centered attitude I'm talking about, in a country where you could go dig a hole for $100k a year, you persist at a sub conditions job just because YOU want to. That degrades the conditions for all, if youa re not making it in aviation do something else for a few years, make some money, don't take substandard conditions just because you will do anything to fly a plane.

I don't give a rat **** about the LH seat of a jet. I'd fly a 172 if the pay and career options were good enough. I want seniority gone so I can actually market my labor, no different to how any professional/executive progresses their career. Instead, I'm locked into one company for my career and have to effectively take what I'm given, with very little control.
There is no seniority in GA that I'm aware of, so market your skills all you want, no one is going to pay you more than the next guy for the jobs out there. I spent a lot of time in GA and ended up being paid an ok salary for GA work, but it involved working a lot harder than an airline FO so I moved on, a few places did ask how much it would take to make me stay, and I told them honestly what I was worth and they just said no, or offered a couple of grand more which was nowhere near enough, so I moved on.

Why does the removal of seniority also remove EBAs?
It doesn't but what you are saying is that you want to market your skills, which in the airline world means they will move to contract based pay rather than EBA. That's just how the business world works, if the labor force wants to move to individual contracts they will be more than happy to facilitate that as they know the average person is a hopeless negotiator on their own. That's why the libs wanted to scrap EBAs and move to individual contracts, another way of reducing wages and inflation.

To you perhaps. Without seniority, if another airline is offering a better package, I can apply and transition into the same role in the new entity, on that better pay immediately. With seniority, I go from my current role and rank, to the lowest position and pay at the new entity, which is almost certainly going to be lower, not higher than what I make now. In nearly every airline in the country, people stay put once they're in. The movement between the companies is extremely low, because of precisely this reason. As a result, the management know that you're never going to leave, so they can feed you a **** sandwich and you're gonna take it, because ultimate its more than you'd make if you started again somewhere else, for years. Maybe ever.
Depends on the role, you are only talking about line positions, just about any other role in airlines you can apply for and get in outside of seniority. In any case if you start hiring over the top of qualified FO/Captains you remove job security and more than likely you will get your paid position but be resented by those under you that you displaced by rank and possibly even baseings. If you like to be paid more but hated by those you fly with go for it, I've seen it happen it's not pretty. It's even happening now in some companies where FO's are almost Cpt ready but are hired over the top of because they are not ready right now, it's not pretty.

Again it shows a self centered attitude that you don't care about these consequences, or the people you will work with, that in essence is why Australian Aviation conditions have declined so much.
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