This is the second long interview by Lex Fridman with Stephen Kotkin whose magisterial 3 volume work on Stalin is nearing completion. In the interview he analyses the history of Russia/USSR's relationship with the west and the parallels and differences between the two dictators. Whilst Fridman isn't really up to the task of responding to such erudite analysis it doesn't matter much since Professor Kotkin's incisive delivery fills in most of the deficiencies. Long discussion and well worth the time. I have yet to listen to the first discussion (or Fridman's interview with Putin apologist Oliver Stone).