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Old 10th Feb 2022, 11:08
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Matthew Illsley
 
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
If there was a Harrier anywhere near at the time, what else are you likely to hear?

We seem to have two choices here - that the object was 'secret project' operating from a secluded research establishment like West Freugh, in which case a regular squadron Harrier would seem highly unlikely. If it was - what was it doing flying around on a Saturday evening in daylight at low level in central Scotland. Surely more likely places to go and play. It's almost like they wanted to draw attention to themselves.

If it wasn't a 'secret project' and is genuinely an unknown object the time and place become less relevant, but there is still the issue of why a Harrier is there - surely one of the last things you'd send to have a look (availability/speed/radar)?
Hi SWBKCB,

Thanks for replying.

1. According to the account from the source we have, the witnesses parked at Calvine and then followed a public footpath. They walked over some moorland, entered a copse of trees, climbed a fence onto more open moorland, spotted the diamond craft, leapt back over into the trees and hid. After a moment or two, they re-emerged and the craft was still there just hovering. After a couple of minutes, a Harrier overflew at mid-to-high altitude, apparently returned a couple of minutes later, circled the diamond several times and was photographed doing so, flew off, and then the diamond itself took off vertically. From that account, you can see that there are several periods during which the Harrier wasn't present, hence the witnesses (if honest and accurate) could have "heard" that the diamond wasn't making any noise (if that isn't too contradictory).

2. I concur with your assessment given what we think we "know". For me, the odds of a truly unknown craft appearing over rural Scotland, then randomly being overflown by a Harrier, then circled by the same or another Harrier, seem long (not impossible, of course, but unlikely). If it wasn't a hoax, and despite acknowledging objections to the alleged hovering and silent operation, a secret test would seem to be the "best fit" at the moment. We have been told by a very senior ex-military source that the "several" photos are "definitely NOT a hoax", and that other photos in the set of 6 show two Harriers, one British and one American, which again would fit with this theory (if true and accurate).

3. With regard to, "flying around on a Saturday evening in daylight at low level in central Scotland. Surely more likely places to go and play. It's almost like they wanted to draw attention to themselves," we do only have one alleged witness (there were 2 men walking there apparently, but only 1 is named in the file, only 1 sent the photos in, and only 1 was interviewed), so despite the general area being a popular place for hiking (which in places it is), it's basically in the 1,748 sq mi Cairngorms national park, it's extremely rural, very isolated, and has a lowest-low population density, so, to me at least, the lack of any other sightings isn't that unreasonable. One can only speculate, but if it was secret tech, a temporary mechanical, propulsion, communication, or navigational issue that forced the aircraft down to low level for a few minutes wouldn't seem unreasonable.

Thanks again.

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