Originally Posted by
De_flieger
Don't apologise for posting it, it's let us demonstrate quite well a few of the logical inconsistencies with the anti-vaxxer arguments, so in that regard it's a positive thing. However, as those inconsistencies are pointed out to you, you could well learn why the link you posted doesn't show what you say it does, rather than claiming that everyone is all just too stupid to understand you. Which takes us neatly to the next part of your posts....
Looking at your table that you cite as an argument against vaccination, as at the date of your report, (2nd August) 71% of the overall UK population had received their second shot, although a certain proportion of them would not have reached full protection until a week or two later.
From that table, in the under 50 age bracket, there were 71 covid deaths listed in your table, 13 of which had received their second vaccination. So the group that hasn't had their second shot, that makes up ~29% of that population, makes up 81% of the deaths.
In the over 50 age bracket, which has a much higher vaccination rate in the UK due to how their vaccine rollout went, at that report date approximately 95% of the over 50s population had received their second shot. So the 5% of the population that hadn't had 2 shots, made up 41% of the deaths in that table. So don't just look at one line in a table out of context, because it isn't showing what you think. To return to the aviation analogies, if you look at the one line in the Flight Manual that says "undercarriage must be retracted as soon as possible", and ignore the next line that says "after takeoff", quoting that line won't be a defence if you retract the undercarriage on the parking bay - the text needs to be read in context, without cherrypicking isolated figures and ignoring everything else about the broader dataset.
Well in this example of all the delta cases of 300.000, 151000 were from unvaccinated, so about 51 %. Rest from other categories.
Then you have unvaccinated deaths out of those cases 0.167%, and in the double jabbed 0.855% so about 80% increase of death if you get the delta virus as double jabbed...or am I wrong?
You might be tempted to say that if you don't get delta you won't die and that double jabbed have about 35% points less chance of getting the virus, well if you then calculate the overall death statistic (rate of death and rate of infection) you will find that that number gives 8.4 for unvaccinated and 13.4 for double jabbed approximately. That is still a 37% increase chance of dying from the double jab than to be unvaccinated overall, at least in this study...
Secondly what is of quite a big interest is that the viral load is basically with no difference over 7 days...that was one of the arguments for the vaccine which has been debunked (true a very slight reduction still negligible according to the authors)