Thanks for the answer LOMCEVICK.I had one experience at flying outside of limits,and it wasn't very pleasant Decided to take my uncle for a quick flip in a Jodel.The a/c was full of fuel,and John was a big chap,and as a very low-houred PPl,I stupldly didn't think of W+B,and set off.Once airborne,despite full nose trim,I had to use a lot of forward stick just to maintain level flight.I didn't like it and went round and landed from a very flat approach.Never made that mistake again !