HI Safety Pee. I am not sure that the families of the passengers on Swirijaya 182, PIA Karachi, B737 Rostov on Don and so many others would agree that we have reached a safe place. Moreover every day we read of near misses in Aviation Herald and other journals which beggar belief. Many so close to disaster - e.g. three incidents in a few months in HKG below safety height on approach. And there is a common factor - the inability to respond to what is often a non event, or a very minor event, and yes sometimes a major event, but one for which your training should have been adequate to ensure a safe landing. Its a very important debate. You seem to be saying that you cannot train for the next crash because they are too varied in nature? Perhaps you are saying that we cannot second-guess the next scenario which will lead to hundreds of deaths? Many commentators believe you can. You train the pilots to be able to cope with >any< even, t foreseeable or not. Sully, Richard de Crespigny (QF 32) and crew, and others come to mind, as do the thousands of pilots who every day make good decisions which avoid potential danger. Thanks for coming back on this Safety Pee. Appreciate your views. retired guy.