Some posts made about "push on ittis". I have not seen in the posts any comment on a mayday call being made. Surely if there was a problem there would have been a call. If not than it would seem reasonable to consider either a catastrophic failure, which would be substantiated by debris scattered over an area, or incapacitation.
In answer to keeping comments respectful, totally agree. Also on accidents being discussed in crew rooms, well this undoubtedly still happens, and not on this site, this is the bigger crew room.