Originally Posted by
Telfer86
Derfred
Apologies to all for mentioning the war again (ie: what year increment does a CR return on)
Thanks for the tips from previous week & the well intentioned effort etc
My view was that EBA10 is a plain english document & that as nothing is mentioned re: CR & what year service level
you return on , that you would return on year 1 & then B scale SO if A350 is ordered. So unless QF have stated in writing something different
ie: that your years of service will be credited in a similar way to medical terminations , then nothing to discuss
Maybe there is some case law that gives credence to a different argument & that's all very interesting for QC's go to Federal courts , frock up & jump around. Not sure how that will assist guys who get re-employed after CR , who get told take it or leave it mate. Thought the efforts of AIPA should be focused on securing a better deal for CR & also LWOP , VR also instead of getting heads on the telly re: the pilotkeeper concept. Very surprising AIPA didn't try to lock QF in to better deals in the event of CR (ie: priority for "group jobs", years of service credited, no B scale) ; must have just slipped their mind
People have made their choices my view was that accrual of annual leave & lsl & yearly service increments over 3 years on stand down as an upside
wasn't worth the risk of CR & coming back years from now on year 1/B scale. If somebody rolls the dice & wins well all power to you , that's great
just not the kind of bet I would take
I know guys keep repeating "there is no surplus" , I see all the parked aircraft so I don't subscribe to that viewpoint & I note AJ talked about
AC & ANZ reducing fleet size by 50% & 30% respectively on four corners. Still think a pretty good chance of CR unfortunately, QF have followed
the process outlined to the letter up to this point, firstly offer VR & lwop & early retirement, then you can move to CR
Does anyone think another VR would be offered prior to any CR ?
I don't think many would have predicted Australia segmenting as it has, I don't think any significant domestic this year (hope I am wrong)
You should probably read the EBA mate.
Qantas identified the numbers. Which is well publicised. The VR & ER package dealt with that longer term surplus.
The LWOP & bypass conditions deal with the short term surplus Qantas have now. As TLS put it - ‘variabilisation’ of the costs. 5% costs for 5% flying as we scale up.
If Qantas announce that more aircraft will be retired, another number of surplus positions will be announced. VR packages will be offered + LWOP and then if that fails to address the numbers, CR will commence.
There is presently no identified surplus and the previous one has been dealt with.
So stop trying to scare people. The rest of us are realists. If our number comes up and we end up on the retrenchment list. Such is life sometimes.