Mick, I suggested that the route to Orange was not profitable so why would Q put a Dash in there? when Joyce claims q is bleeding cash at the rate of $40m a week? Q has not operated into there before, so with reduced passenger numbers there is no way either of them can make a profit from that route at this moment in time so whats the game? is it so QANTAS can bleed even more noney (their claim not mine) so that they can get a hand out as well. I have no problem if they get a handout as long as its not used to get rid of competition. And before you say it, Q didn't go to Orange before .