This thread has lost its way. Lots of comment from people with nothing to do with BA or IAG and not many pilots. TURIN getting bashed for not a lot. Bottom line, 12000 jobs to go from BA (only 12000 in the words of one external commentator above).....it is semantics as to what name you give the process. Cabin crew are effectively having their contracts thrown away and many will not get a new one. Those that do will see somewhat worse terms than the one chucked in the bin.