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Old 18th May 2020, 19:54
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Originally Posted by Lima Juliet
Taking the SNCO Pilot debate out of the weeds we need to think more “Why do we have SNCO/WO Pilots?”. For starters, most kids that want to be Pilots are graduates and do not want to be SNCOs. They want a Queen’s Commission and the kudos that attracts. Further, the cost of SNCO Pilots works out more expensive in the first part of their 20 year career too - don’t forget that Officer Aircrew and NCO Pilots get exactly the same RRP(F) between OR6 rank and OF3 ranks.

OR6 Supplement 4 Sgt starting salary = £39,114
OF1 Fg Off starting salary = £32,780

So the Sgt is paid nearly £7k more

After 2.5 years the Fg Off promotes to Flt Lt
OF2 Flt Lt starting salary = £42k (For 2 years)
OR 6 Supp 4 Level 2 = £40.2k
OR 6 Supp 4 Level 3 = £41.3

So the Flt Lt slowly claws back the £18k the Sgt is paid more than the Fg Off in the first 2.5 years over the next 10 years! By then the SNCO Pilot has promoted to FS/SSgt within 6 years (on average) so the repayment gap is still narrow.

OR7 Supp 4 starting salary = £44.5k
OF2 Flt Lt Level 5 = £47.3k

Top whack for a Flt Lt is £49.9k and for a OR-9 WO1/MAcr Pilot would be £53.2k.

So when you consider the RRP(F) is the same, they both get a £70k RP and they both have PAS/PES(A) available now at same place under AFPS15 (all ranks for EDP 20/40). Then you also take into account that SNCOs pay less for the same size of married quarters and get free uniform issue.

I want to ask, as a taxpayer, why we are paying for more expensive SNCO/WO Pilots when the job can be done by cheaper Commissioned Officers and we build a better cadre of staff officers for the senior ranks?
Worth pointing out that many NCO pilots are not substantive Sgts during the course and don’t qualify for supp 4 until qualified on type so really you could only be paying ~£28k pa to train them. The Officer will promote on time, the NCO will struggle to promote on course due to lack of/weak reports meaning the commissioned one will end up costing more
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