Originally Posted by
Sunfish
I also wonder what new regulations will be enacted to criminalise an accidental spin and prevent flying anywhere near the edge of the flight envelope.
Already done, they are very efficient! The ICAO definition is "Manoeuvres intentionally performed by an aircraft involving an abrupt change in its attitude, an abnormal attitude, or an abnormal variation in speed." Europe and USA have the same or almost identical words. Australia used to have the same definition but they slipped in a new definition along with the diabolical Part 61 - they removed the word "intentionally" and added very specific angles of pitch and bank.
So Sunfish, check out the fines that may be dished out by an FOI sitting at a desk watching YouTube videos.
(Incidentally, the USA has a further rule which specifies pitch and bank angles beyond which the occupants are required to wear a parachute - unless solo. Spin training for flight instructor ratings are also exempt.)
Originally Posted by
Sunfish
CASA apparently has decided that there will be no more spin training after consultation:
What they have really done is admit that they stuffed up with Part 61 by requiring a whole suite of incipient spins vs the old Day VFR Syllabus which clearly stated that the exercise was a stall with a wing drop. Part 61 means exactly what it states - a suite of incipient spin exercises - what is an incipient spin? Look at CASA's Flight Instructor Manual in the Stall and Spin Chapters and it is quite clear what Part 61 requires.
Furthermore, they did NOT decide there will be no more spin training. Flight schools are free to conduct spin training at any stage however it needs an instructor properly qualified to give instruction in spins and the aircraft must be approved for intentional spins - no change there. Importantly, the AC explains that an incipient spin is a spin per the FAA definition provided to those people who write the bit in the flight manuals about the spin recovery method and whether or not an airplane is approved to conduct intentional spins.
In that AC, CASA states "Spin recovery training is highly recommended for pilots at any level of licence or experience and is worth revision at any stage of a pilot's career." If you didn't get spin training with your licence training then you are free to go and do it - pay your money and take your choice.
Originally Posted by
Sunfish
This is apparently despite:
.......a high level of support for training and testing of spin recovery. However, this support is balanced with the recognition that there are fewer flight instructors and a shrinking fleet of aircraft capable of delivering this outcome.
You'd need to read all of the responses to CASA to see if there really is that "high level of support" for mandatory spin training for a licence.
I have lost too many friends in stall/spin accidents - the spin training that most if not all of them had taken didn't save them.