Originally Posted by
Chugalug2
Thanks Herod, the temptation is to ignore but he does serve a purpose insomuch as it shows what we and the MAA are up against.
hg, so much pent up anger, I hope at least that having got that lot off your chest you do feel rather the better for it. As to the aircraft you quote I have no knowledge of them either, but I have to tell you I wouldn't want you on any aircraft I have flown, let alone on its Flight Deck. You are a walking CRM disaster! I have flown with cabin crew both in the RAF and the Airlines. In the RAF it was always a one man CC; my ALM. In the airlines it could be up to six (and rather prettier than the ALMs, or can one say that these days?). In both cases their primary duty was to ensure the safety of their passengers, in the air, on the ground, even in the sea. All of them were highly trained and all of them took their duties very seriously indeed. They were all aircrew and totally part of a fully integrated crew.
Thankyou for the gratuitous history lesson. Armed Forces are honed in war (especially ones in which millions die). It is then that stark reality cuts in rather than the esoteric policies of committees that decide that the 'Bomber will always get through' or the Colonel Blimps that bemoan their horses being replaced by noisy tractors tearing up their battlefields. I would suggest that Blimp is alive and well and promoted to Air Marshal these days if the RAF thinks as you do.
Aviation is rather like Covid19. It isn't interested in you 'being more qualified by orders of magnitude' than the CC in the aircraft you are pax in. If it picks you out your number is up, unless your life can be spared by getting you out of that conflagration and down a slide to safety. You won't manage that on your own. To try to do so would hazard others. You will be saved by a trained CC member carrying out their primary role, saving your life (I thought to precede that with an adjective but that would be churlish).
Fancy words, do not an argument make.....
Nobody is highly trained after a 6 week course, regardless of specialisation. Aircrew train for 3-7 yrs, then, and only then do they start to learn their craft properly. To become highly trained will take the same timescale again at the very least.
Any able-bodied person can unstrap, walk to the exit and jump down a slide. I do not need CC to direct me to live, my survival instinct will kick in without your help, I promise, I am good.
Disagreeing with your argument does not make me a CRM disaster. I will leave the AIRCREW instructors and peers I fly with to be the judge of that...
Whether you would like on your aircraft is a pointless statement as CC are under the authority of the ac Captain and as such their word is final
Are you seriously comparing strategic lessons from world wars as an argument for CC to be recognised as aircrew?
Giving you a badge in NO WAY changes the job you are doing, so your argument... well, isnt really. A badge wont change your role, which is serving food, looking after pax and assisting in an emergency.
Just a thought, if the MAA remove the one sentence you are hanging an entire argument on, does that longer make you aircrew?