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Old 19th Apr 2020, 01:02
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Originally Posted by 3RDi View Post
Without getting into quotas; cargo pilots will be in demand, and you could be fortunate to be hired by companies in other sectors. In any case you can argue who should they hire, TR or NTR. In the many threads it's advised to take the instructing route for now. That in itself suggests those who have the finances will still pursue flight training and will need teaching by someone.

These cargo companies will hire whoever is cheap, fresh NTR cadets. Sure, they need experienced crew as well, point is some cadets and low hours CPL/IR fATPL'ers will still be hired even in these times. The Flight Schools will need to continue to offer incentives to come and train still. Competition will be tough, so focus your energies on these companies and what they want. Write a list, look into what these recruiters/chief pilots want from you and go from there. Those few that get hired will have to show considerable passion.

You can either resign to doom and gloom scenarios or think together brainstorming viable solutions in order to adapt to the current situation. No harm in the latter.
I am not exactly sure why you suddenly believe Cargo pilots will be in demand?
Another important point, Flying Cargo is mostly wide body, very unlikely that they will take an inexperienced FO with no hours to start flying wide-body, It would cost a lot in both additional training and insurance for the Cargo operator. If they flying 330's, it's not a massive upgrade to go from 320 to 330 etc.

Virgin had a massive problem with their own Cadets, that's why they shipped them of to Easyjet, so they could work 3 years with Easyjet, and get loads of landings experience, instead of flying wide-body, where you are lucky if you do more than 5 landings a month.

So what you are saying is absolute rubbish, sorry.

Sure some of the Cargo companies are busy now, but that is because they are the only ones who can fly now. And as for taking new non type rated low hour pilots, while there are literally thousands of unemployed very experienced pilots, does not seem very likely. As whoever is out there and who have lost their jobs, will go for whatever is available and offered to them.

Just to get some figures out there, we have in recent times had Air Berlin, Monarch, FlyBe and Thomas Cook all gone, very likely there will be more casualties such as possibly Norwegian. Norwegian won't go completely, but maybe cut down to 20 - 30 aircraft if they get government help and restructure the company. I personally hope they will survive, but we can't predict anything in the current situation.

Wizz have made loads of pilots redundant, that's 265 pilots who will probably have first dibs in getting back into Wizz, Something similar could happen with Easyjet too, but the number will probably be higher, maybe as much as 500 - 1000, again most likely these will block the way for any new recruitment in to Ezy.

BA and Virgin, have many who was working their notice period with other companies, at least the ones for BA have been retained in the hold pool, and again when BA starts these will be there first to take the jobs. Expect

This is just mentioning some, Lufthansa have also reduced their subsidiary airline, not sure what will happen with all their crews Not sure all will be able to get job with Lufthansa.

So I might sound negative, but the negativity is based on facts of the current situation. And this we have to accept. If you have 5 - 6000 pilots, with 4000 - 5000 hours, all looking for those same jobs, the zero hours guy won't even get a look in as it stands at the moment. At least 2 - 3 years, unless things changes drastically.

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