Despite over 21000 posts AF447 refuses to die. AF447 and QZ8501 pilots at controls at that time were simply not competent to do what was required and they were not not going to discover it by accident. No pun intended. In 447 TOGA and high pitch and 8501 again pull back on stick. This is not what you do in alternate law. So it is a past time that may be AoA display, oh no! the feedback to the other stick perhaps. It has not happened and not going to happen. We are discussing dual input. These laments are not contributing anything. They should be shifted to 447 thread.