Nice read as I "lurk about" FH on a weekend now firmly locked down. AIRBUBBA : Yes, you were right and I can't remember either Although a CX candidate failure & ASL too (sorry), still wound up in and outa HK, at least twice a month on GF 76's. I have a feeling it was a B/c switch which helped us fly out on the inbound course with correct sensing. Survived my last year with GF by passing the A340 chop strategy and can't remember how we got that big Gentleman's in & out of HK. Might have been the new airport which presented no challenge. I suspect Kai Tak would have been a standard Airbus button push ; A?P at 400, LNav, VNav..................now what ? ARFUR : yeah, we were real men but in a company where there were several "Capt Only" T/O & LDG restrictions, Kai Tak was not one. Indeed, often giving the inbound leg to a very talented group of co-joes, I had to admit that most outflew me any way. (Why can I hear Globo thinking 'wouldn't have taken much eh ? ). Marve days.