Okay, Alan Joyce is right. Virgin management or the lack of proper management has put them in a position where they will not survive without government intervention. No argument about that. Are we ready for another dose of what happened when Qantas had a virtual monopoly on the domestic market? Ansett collapse and a very weak Virgin ring a bell? That's what Alan really wants, to be the sole player. To ensure competition the government really has to prop Virgin up. The only way to do this would be to bring back the regulation of air jtravel, i.e. the 2 airline system. Sack the Virgin board, they're oxygen thieves. Appoint an Administrator and make them account for every public cent. Make Qantas account for every public cent as well.