BN2A- Sadly, Boeing is quite far behind low speed optimization of their aircraft. All of the Boeing Commenrcial aircraft use outdated technology that somebody developed in the 50s. Airbus also optimizes their Vspeeds for optimal climb rate. Boeing lumbers off the runway as slow as they possibly can and meet FAR 25 requirements. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> . .. .But that may soon change.....