I do not know why I loose my time replying
Some of you obviously know better and have your minds made up so why bother making an Accident report hey ?
Last try then I’m gone from this post :
The weight .
All the calculated speeds and weights are in the report. .
The report mention structural MTOW and describe how RTOW ( BTW I thought it standed for Reference TOW not Regulated but never mind ) was calulated and indeed mention they were one ton over. I understand that Structural TOW was below RTOW so take off MTOW (185,0) is used and mentioned on the CVR by the Capt just prior take off.
Then the say : quote : " For all of these values, the influence of an increase in weight of one ton was examined and found to be negligible “ This is confirmed by my (ex) concorde friends.
That is enough for me .
FE swiching off #2 without been told so ; you obviously know about CRM and Emergency training at AFR right ?
CVR shows FO announcing #2 down, and then later fire alarm is on., then FE announces shutting down 2, the capt later ask to confirm #2 was shut down, FE replies : it is ,all this between V1 and Vr.
Looks very professional to me.
Lastly on the comparaison 737/Conc : . One ton over on a concorde at 185 t equals 300 Kgs over on a 737 at 63 t . with nearly twice the thrust per equivalent ton of metal available. That’s all.
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If despite all this you still believe there is a conspiracy and that if they had been taking off with one ton less that they did , they would have survived this crash you are welcome.
M85 had the correct last word : leave them in peace.
Last edited by ATC Watcher; 18th November 2003 at 06:19.