Originally Posted by ZG862
Thank you for your contribution gentlemen. However, please see post 1....
A feature of these mainly-recreational discussion boards is the Chinese Whisper effect that takes place and the resulting thread drift. It is part of the interest in following a thread and, perhaps, making the occasional comment. If you want to ask a question such as that in post 1 and get a straightforward reply to your question without any deviation, repetition or hesitation then ask a good flying instructor.