This thread kind of reminds me of the debate on how many angels will fit in the head of a pin, interesting but ultimately irrelavent. Since virtually no light twin will have a positive rate of climb at VMC you are going to pull the other engine as the only time you should be at VMC is either on the TO roll or in the landing flare. The critical issue is not letting the aircraft develope significant yaw, which can easily turn into Stall-Spin-Die. When I teach the Multi endorsement I thoughly explore this region of flight by having the student only use one half rudder ( And at a really high altitude ). I want them to get lots of practice recognizing when a reduction of power on the good engine is the only way to prevent a departure from controlled flight.. . . . <small>[ 13 March 2002, 01:10: Message edited by: big pistons forever ]</small>