Well Prince of Dzun, your point about Vee ah..is a good one and if it worked for you all those years, then who am I to critisise. I have worked for five different companies (sixth soon) operating the TriStar and they all did it differently. Strangly, none used the Lockheed recommended checklists or procedures exactly...yet Lockheed spent a LOT of money developing these procedures. In our new venture, I am in a position to insist how it will be done..and it will be Lockheed all the way. Lockheed will send us a tech rep as well who will ride around with our crews (many of which have never flown the aeroplane) to try to standardise procedures. There will NOT be any "..well we did it this way at BA.." with our guys.