Although I thoroughly agree with what you've both said, at Flying Clubs and Schools we have to teach people who shouldn't really be flying, as well as the ones who should. What I mean by that is, those of below average ability and intelligence can only work with simple and easy to remember techniques and numbers. Our approach is a simple mixture of some of what PilotDar and TOO have said. As soon as the take off run has commenced take some pressure off the nose leg, keep straight and, when at 60 knots (PA28-181),positive back pressure to rotate. Obviously, the speed should vary depending on loading etc, but if we allow those same students to get airborne at lower speeds they often end up back on the runway. Then, if they do manage to get a licence, when they try to take off fully loaded it can very quickly go wrong. We only officially have 600 metres...............