411s answer is [tut tut!].. .. .The Ord DC10 crashed because all the Leading Edge devices retracted on the right side of the aircraft after the engine pylon seperated from the wing damaging the hydraulics. At the time there were no downlocks on the Slats, they were simply held down by hydraulic pressure. During the grounding of the DC10 , that was one of manythings that had to be fixed before the DC10 was allowed to fly again.. .. .Targeting v2+10 is normal procedure on rotation now. You go strait to it with now hesitation. If you get airborne and then lose an engine you hold what you got. If you chuck an engine at V1 that same rotation takes you right to v2. Its a beautiful thing. Samething everytime.... .. .Cheers. .Wino. . . . <small>[ 11 March 2002, 04:25: Message edited by: Checkboard ]</small>