411A:. .I have to concede your argument is sound, however if you pin the attitude exactly (good rotation) and hold it steady (neutral aileron and correct rudder pressure) the aircraft will climb all day with an engine out and the speed right on V2. Why should she roll over? Well, she will roll over due to fiddling around and if you want to build in some protection for that then you certainly have a point. Nevertheless, I always felt I was paid to enforce the SOPs and that's exactly what I did. I never had to do it for real and I consider I was lucky considering I spent more than two years off the surface of the earth. Regards,. .. .Prince of Dzun. .. .P.S. Pleased to see you go for " rotate" because I go for "Vee ah". I'll give you my reasons for this tomorrow.