411A:. .That's all very well but you seem to be forgetting that with a balanced field length you still must achieve the screen height. You and I know balanced field lengths are sometimes hazardous affairs and they are often followed by obsctacles which make the screen height marginal. Why not do it everytime the same way so that when the max effort day arrives it is just a little easier.. .. .Prince of Dzun. .. .P.S. I have a definite view on whether the call should be " rotate" or " vee ah" and I'd be pleased to hear your views on this prior to a discussion.