Originally Posted by
fizz57
Just to clear up another of your misconceptions (I see that the first has already been addressed), no-one is suggesting that the trim forces are too low and too high under the same flight conditions.
It's not a misconception. There have been people suggesting that the pilots could not detect the need to trim; since that need is primarily sensed by control forces, the trim must have been too light to notice. The accident reports suggest the pilots were pulling hard, suggesting the the control forces were high to resist.
So how is it that the pilots did not realize from the control forces in nearly level flight that they needed to trim, particularly on ET302 where the control forces continued to increase with increasing speed. What are those forces?