Originally Posted by
vilas
The point is although the g forces, sensations are same for both pilots the PM was not affected by them and was guiding the PF correctly. Despite clear cut guidance by PM to maintain the pitch PF wasn't able to do it. Should there be some guideline as to how much deviation the other crew member should accept before physical intervention otherwise we learn nothing from these loss of lives.
very very valid point...
The somatogravic illusion isn’t something new, it hasn’t just been invented, the sims actually don’t do a bad job at replicating the same- those of us used to flying some geriatric but over powered military types in a previous existence did exotic manoeuvres at night and/or in IFR and will have experienced the over whelming sensation of feeling they are pitched up at some horrible angle whilst in actuality being S&L and telling themselves. “For f**** sake whatever you do don’t push”...as you correctly said earlier Vila’s it was drummed into us that you flew the instruments, not the seat of your pants..,....so what happened here?
so why didn’t the P1 do so that night on the second go - around..?fatigue.? And is there a case for the guy who is heads heads down in such circumstances (in this case the P2) doing the actual GA (not a HUD user myself).