Yes, granted, but who would NZC AA . discipline? the Company or the captains, who were all senior members of NZALPA? and remember a very senior member of ALPA, who orchestrated a lot of the findings of Justice Mahon justified his descent by saying he was invited down by the controller at McMurdo, from 6,000ft minimum to 1,500ft, and after that it became the norm., weather permitting., which for the most part it did.