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Old 2nd November 2019 | 16:04
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FlightDetent

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I do not really remember seeing what "Full procedure approach" clearance from ATC means. Not PANS-ATS (Doc 4444), nor Annex 10 ICAO.

for A) the procedure has IAF at 13 miles out, +2600. If ATC needs you to racetrack they need to say so, otherwise, all you need to do is stay inside the splay areas and withing assured radio coverage and are free to go. Moreover, from the plan view, the racetrack is not a part of the 13D IAF procedure anyway.

for B) I was trained that if a racetrack is the reversal pattern, joining the shape and establishing inbound is not enough and you must do one full spin after having arrived overhead the fix. A rule I questioned silently but accept, having not taken the time to study in-depth. Lack of authoritative material being a major reason (ICAO / EU rules) [Banana's 3.2.3.2. "2" is a strong hint my gut against the absolute statement might be right]

thread drift:
Modern aircraft flight guidance systems cope well with turning on to tracks well outside the 30 degrees normally regarded as limiting and many operators take a pragmatic view and simply do it to save time. When this becomes a habit at a particular airfield then ATC may wrongly assume that’s your intent as well even when you choose to do otherwise. If in a procedural (non-radar) environment this could lead to an inadvertent loss of separation.
!!! hear hear!!! Imagine the first non-native, "international" language of ATC being French/Spanish and it gets tough even to explain where you actually are so they can start sorting the mess out. Not funny when it happens.

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