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Old 11th Oct 2019, 11:46
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Originally Posted by Ross182
Dont think regulations are helpful. Its the controllers experience and inteligence what can in these situation help and also often save lifes. I have experienced several of these situations in my ATCO careers.
So back to the quesstion: of course in certain parts of world IFR in uncotrolled airspace is a daily life..flying IFR in G class airspace is allowed for example in the UK, Poland etc....hower nothing change regarding my previous post...you can be cleared as an IFR flight...but you HAVE to maintain or be above certain altitude (MRVA,MEA,MFA,....)
Regulations set out what is 'normal' for the environment. It's important for a controller (or pilot, or anything else) to know when they are going outside normal, and how far outside they are prepared to go because of the circumstances. Experience - and intelligence, which I hope would be a given - can help save lives; mainly by knowing the risks associated with different courses of action. I, and many controllers, have been faced with unusual situations which don't fit 'normal', which is where experience and knowledge can be of help.

You also say 'Providing a help to VFR flight entering IMC Is a slightly different topic then ....ATCO in that case follow the checklist and giving the pilot aid by describing the close enviroment ( basically giving a MFA/MRVA etc...)...Then if the ACFT and pilot is allowed for IFR..And at/above the MFA/MRVA etc..he is cleared for IFR flight'. Which appears to say pretty much what all the answers in this thread say. Puzzling, however, that you talk about following a checklist because that's exactly where a controllers experience and knowledge might be useful...especially if 'describing the close enviroment' (sic) to you means telling the pilot the MVA/MSA or whatever - a controller working in that situation will ideally know a lot more about the terrain and obstacle that exist in the area, or indeed, where it may be possible for the pilot to get back to VMC, or what the weather is like in the surrounding area.
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